How Many Credit Cards Should I Have? – Money Q&A

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The first one is how many credit cards should you have? And what is the impact of having more credit cards versus less credit cards? And how do I optimize my credit card system is the other part that I'll talk through there. Number two is, can I use personal expenses on a business credit card? This person is looking to travel hack and business cards have a lot of extra point bonuses that you can take advantage of.

So can you use personal expenses, On that credit card is one of the questions. They are number three, how to capital gains taxes work in retirement. When it comes to a taxable brokerage account, we'll dive into that one. And then number four, how to check if you've been a victim of a data breach. There's been a lot of more data breaches going on.

We'll talk about some of those statistics and how to check to see if you've been a victim of one. And I did a check on mine and there was a lot more that I did not know about. So, uh, that is a good little tool and resource that we're going to be talking through today as well. So. Those are the four things on today's money.

Q and a, so without further ado, let's get into it. All right. So question number one is talking about how many credit cards you should have. So, Hey, Andrew, I've been listening for a while now and have a question about credit cards. I have four credit cards currently. Don't want any more and wonder what is the right amount of credit cards to have to maximize my credit score.

I spend less than 15 percent of the max on each and my credit score is in the 780 to 790 range. So first of all, great question and congratulations on having such a wonderful credit score. You have a very high credit score that you can do a lot with. For most people, I want your goal to be to have a credit score above 725.

Preferably really seven 50. Uh, and that is something that can happen a number of different ways. Number one though, is by credit utilization. Now credit utilization is something I think a lot of people need to understand is 30 percent of your credit score. This is a very important part of your credit score when it comes to your credit score.

If you're looking to build it back up, I want you 20 method for building your credit score that we talk about all the time. So there are three things that make up that 80%. It is 30 percent is your credit utilization. This is the amount of credit that is being utilized every single month. So your credit utilization is how much of your card are you using?

So say for example, if you have 100 that you were allowed to spend On your credit card and you spend 7 a month. Every 7 per a hundred is going to be utilizing 7 percent of your utilization rate. If you have a thousand dollar credit limit and you're using 500, percent credit utilization rate, but it spreads across all your different cards in your total available credit that you have.

So if you have more cards open, one benefit to you having four cards open is that you get. to have a lower credit utilization rate because if you're using those cars and you're putting small amounts on each card, you can lower down that credit utilization rate. People with a credit score of 7 90 or more typically will have a credit utilization rate of 7 percent or less is the average.

Number two is your payment history, though, like making sure you paying off your credit cards. Most people know about this. This is 35 percent of your credit score. And so making sure your payment history is something that is being taken care of is also another big one. Number three is length of credit history.

And so the length of credit history is going to be really important when it comes down to your credit score. Uh, but this is only 15 percent of your score. So focusing on credit utilization and focusing on payment history is going to be the big two. And then the length of your credit history. This is why I don't love for people to close their credit cards.

I'll tell you what to do here in a second. Instead of closing them, credit mix is 10 percent of your credit score, minor and new credit inquiries is 10 percent of your score. So each time you apply for a new credit card, a hard inquiry is recorded, uh, which can temporarily lower your credit score. And since you don't want more credit cards, this is not really a concern for you, but it could be.

If you. Try to open up a bunch of credit cards really, really quickly. Now the optimal number of cards. That's the first part of this question. What is the optimal number of cards? I have a ton of different credit cards because I am big into travel hacking, optimizing points and miles. And so I have, you know, eight to 10 cards at any given time.

Now, why do I have so many and why do I think you don't really have to do that? Well, for most people, just having two cards is completely fine. If you are looking to simplify your finances as much as possible, two cards is completely fine. I think for most people, if you're not trying to travel, hack and really optimize everything, Two to four cards, four cards.

Probably your max, uh, is going to be really good. You can have a travel card, you can have a cash back card. And then if you want to have two more, maybe you have a business card. If you own a business and, uh, you can have some sort of other card. That's maybe a rewards card for something you use a lot.

Like Amazon has a wonderful card. If you shop at Amazon a lot, or if you like specific hotel chains, or if you like a specific place that you go to a lot outside of that, then you're just really getting the point in miles game. Or if you have more than that and you have no specific reason for it, then I would.

Would reduce and or we can talk about what to do there. So I wouldn't close some of these cards, especially the ones that you've had open for a very long period of time. If you have an annual fee on those cards, the trick here is instead, if you're trying to reduce the amount of cards that you have, is to call up the card provider and Ask them, can I downgrade this card?

So say, for example, you have the Capital One Venture and you have the paid version, which is like 79 or 99 every single year, and you're thinking to yourself, well, I just don't use this Capital One Venture anymore, but I have had it open for a very long period of time. Um, I don't know what to do with this.

Instead, what you do is you can call up Capital One and you can say to them, Hey, can you just downgrade me to the free version of the Capital One Venture? I don't use this as much as I want to. I still want to continue to have this open and I will use it. Uh, but I don't use it as much as I previously thought.

And the annual fee is just not worth it for me. The benefits of that annual fee are not worth it. Then they will take it and they will go ahead and downgrade you to the next card and you will not lose that credit history. So that is a hack for you to be able to maintain that credit history over a long period of time.

Because again, length of credit history is only 15 percent and payment history is 35%. So you want to make sure that you are just keeping that role and you don't kind of help your credit score and help chip away at the old block as they say, but credit utilization is a big one. So two to four is completely fine.

You're in that sweet spot right there. And if you are looking to travel hack more, then you can start to optimize them. And then as you start to hit those big bonuses and you don't use that card as much, then start to downgrade those cards over time. So just continuously downgrading cards is what I like to do to keep the credit history going.

If there's a card that you can't downgrade, then it's time to consider, Hey, is the yearly fee worth it or do I need to close this card? So those are the other two options that you have to weigh out. If you cannot downgrade that card, so there's no need for more cards for people, you know, two to four range, unless you're really trying to optimize points and miles.

That's kind of the sweet spot. And I think to if you're really trying to simplify to is the sweet spot for most people. Keeping that simple is going to be really, really easy because it A. It helps you just kind of monitor them. You can go through the statements of each of them because as you start to get more and more, you're going to get less and less aware of what's going on with each of those cars because you don't want to open up four different credit cards every single time to kind of review some of those statements.

And so if you get to 4812, then it's really important to kind of maintain some of those. Now, the ones I keep open For the travel hackers out there, the ones I keep open, like I'll use one just for my netflix subscription to actually have that subscription on there. Then it just automatically pays off every single month.

So I'll put like a specific bill on there. Maybe that's a low cost bill and then it'll get paid off every single month because it's on that free card. And that's just kind of how I keep them rolling for the most part so that they don't just get closed automatically for zero usage. Um, some places want you to spend a little more on the car and that would be a consideration where you'd have to kind of think through that a little bit more.

Yeah. Now, anybody listen to this podcast who has had issues with credit cards in the past, you do not have to have a credit card to have a perfect financial situation. So I would recommend that if you do have problems with credit cards, then you just continue to pay, you know, with your debit card or in cash.

But credit cards are the optimized way to pay because you get points and miles and you get more protection. And there's a lot of other reasons that we've talked about on this podcast in the past. So, uh, Two to four cards is fantastic for most people. Unless you're trying to optimize for points and miles.

I would stick to that two to four card range. All right. The next question is, can I use personal expenses on my business card? So I love the podcast and I started travel hacking a few months ago and was able to book the hotel for our honeymoon completely free using chase points transferred to Hyatt. So congratulations on that.

That is the beauty of travel hacking to anybody who is interested in it is she booked her honeymoon completely free using chase points. That's So cool. I have a small business side hustle and saw the massive 120, 000 signup bonus for the chase Inc business preferred right now, I don't currently have a business credit card and spending 8, 000 in three months might be a stretch.

Could I put personal expenses on the card to help me reach my bonus? Good question. Also, I already have other cards that offer more points for the types of purchases I make. I wouldn't have much use for the card other than obtaining the sign up bonus. Would it hurt my credit score if I got this card, obtained the bonus, and then closed the card after the first year to avoid the annual fee if I don't use this card?

Okay, two good questions here. So, number one is using a business card for personal expenses. So let's look at the IRS rules really quick. So technically business cards should be used solely for business related expenses and mixing personal and business expenses can complicate your bookkeeping and may raise red flags if you ever get audited.

Okay, so that's number one. Practically, it is possible to use personal expenses on a business card when you're trying to meet the spending requirements, but it is really important to keep meticulous notes as you need to separate those personal and business expenses, especially when it comes to time to file taxes.

So like every year, for example, sometimes when I have my business card, I will accidentally and or sometimes it has to be on use my business card for personal expenses. So one good example is Recently, I was at a sporting event, and when I was at that sporting event, my normal card that I have with me, I have this wallet that kind of is mag safe on the back of my iPhone, and I can only carry three cards in there.

One is always my license, and then I have two other cards. It's typically one of my business cards, and it's my other card that I'm utilizing at that time that I'm trying to gain points or whatever else, and the card that I was trying to gain points on my personal card for some reason, the backing came off of that card, so it could not utilize the chip reader.

And so if you had to put the card in the chip reader, which usually I tap, I usually don't use the chip reader. But when I had to use the chip reader, I could not stick it in the chip reader because for some reason the backing came off. So I was at the specific sporting event. I didn't know the backing came off yet.

Pulled my card out and the chip reader wasn't working because a piece of the card was coming off. I have to order a new card. So instead, the only other card I had on me because my license is my third card in that wallet. Is my business card. So I use my business card for this personal expense, made note of it, let my accountant know.

And then my accountant kind of took care of it. And he puts these transactions in a separate area that is like, you know, here's some personal expenses that accidentally went on the business card type of thing and has that set up in that way. And so that's one thing you can do. Another thing though, from separating them is you can prepay some of these business expenses.

Like for example, if you have subscriptions with the business or some things like that, you can prepay for the entire year. A, you save money by doing that, but B, you also can get the signup bonus by doing some of those subscription payoffs. In addition to, if there's things like, for example, that you need to renovate your home and you have your home office in your home that you are utilizing.

Exclusively for business, you could do some of those upgrades like that where you are spending more money. So typically I'll open a business card if I'm gonna be spending more money on big build outs. Like for example, I just built out a brand new studio for YouTube and all that other stuff in a commercial space.

And so because we did this build out, I had a new card that we put into access because I knew I'd be spending thousands of dollars that would help me kind of hit some of those sign up bonuses because you can it. actually time these a lot of times towards when you think you'll be spending more money.

In addition, if you have clients that you're working with and it comes Christmas time or anything like that, you can start to buy them gifts going towards some of that client stuff. So none of this is tax advice at all whatsoever. You know, talk to your CPA if this will work for you. But at the same time, these are some of the tactics that you can utilize to try to hit some of those sign up bonuses.

If you don't spend a lot on your business cards. Now, a lot of my businesses now spend enough to get to those bonuses back in that when I first started them, though, they did not. And so there were some things that you can do to get some of these sign up bonuses because these sign up bonuses for business cards are very, very valuable.

So anybody who has a business out there who is looking to travel hack, They are very valuable in terms of the sign up bonuses. So this is something to definitely look into for sure. And really good stuff there that you were looking at that. Those are just some of the quick hacks and tips that I have, but it's always better to make sure that you have business expenses on that card.

If you can. Number two, though, is the impact on your credit score. So you'll have the hard inquiry obviously up front, which can temporarily lower your score. We actually covered that in the first question here on this episode. But then that's usually just short term and it's temporary. Now closing the card has a couple of things that will happen.

Number one, if you close the card, you'll lose the available credit limit, which is a credit utilization differential there. Number two is closing the card could lower the average age of your credit accounts. But if you've had a bunch of them open for a long time, it's not that big of a deal. But if the card does not provide ongoing value outside of those points, and you're not thinking that the annual fee is worth it, business cards have even more perks than personal cards.

So sometimes the annual fee is worth it. But if it's not worth it, then you can consider downgrading to the no annual fee version. So a lot of times that's what I would do. Chase typically has no fee version cards and they have the ink line, uh, across the board, which you can downgrade to some of those free versions of the ink so you don't have to close it.

So that is another option for you that I would look into as well. And it is something that I do a lot. So you can do that and then maximize the bonus. And then for long term use, if you don't think you're going to utilize it, you can downgrade to just the regular ink and go from there. there. Now, the card that you're looking at is a fantastic card.

And if anybody wants to look at some of the credit cards we recommend, if you go to the personal finance podcast dot com, I usually don't direct you here, but I have a link up top of the personal finance podcast dot com. That is a credit card link. And that's like all our favorite cards. Those are affiliate links.

So if you are going to open up a card and you listen to this show and you get value out of this show, if you want to support the show, that is a great place to do it. In addition to supporting Our folks that are sponsors of the podcast. Those are two great ways to help support the show. Cause we're trying to give you as much free value as possible.

And so if you can utilize that credit card link, and that just helps support the show, keeps this thing running and keeps the lights on here. So that is another place to look. There is, I will kind of let you know there now, also in the mastermind newsletter, if you guys have noticed as of late, when big signup bonuses like this come up, we start to notify people in the newsletter.

So we have a signup. Section called deals of the week in the master money newsletter. And sometimes it's ways to get a good deal on a checking account. Sometimes it's ways to save money eating out. Like we had a recent one that was like Bogo burritos at Moe's or something like that. But then sometimes it's credit card bonuses and signup bonuses that are big like this one.

And so there's a lot of them out there that you can go check out that could be very helpful as well. And so I think it's a great card. If you can meet the spending limit, you can maximize those values. But just figuring out how to meet the spending limit is the bigger puzzle of the two. Hope that helps.

And let me know if you have any other questions. All right. Question number three is my question for you is related to capital gains taxes. My wife and I have been fortunate enough to max out our retirement accounts and have enough extra to put into a brokerage account tabs for retirement. Love it. I understand that when we withdraw these funds from the brokerage account.

We'll be subject to capital gains tax based on our income level at the time. I also see that if our income level is below 94, 050 for married filing jointly, very true, uh, then we will pay 0 percent capital gains tax. If we are retired, when we start drawing down on this money and we draw down less than 94, 050 per year, I assume this counts as income that we can access the money tax free.

Can you let me know if I'm missing something here? So. Wonderful, wonderful question. And first of all, if you want to hear a second perspective on this and a kind of a thought process on this, we have an episode with Katie Gaddy, who is the host of the money with Katie show. And it's more so talking about how to reduce your taxes to zero in retirement.

And so there's a couple of strategies we talked about in that episode. Very good episode. If you want to check that out, and we will try to link that up down the show notes below as well. But you are on the right track with your understanding of capital gains taxes and you're not missing much. But there are a few nuances I would definitely consider based on your specific situation.

And this is very key. Like if you don't have a CPA and you're approaching retirement, get one because it's going to help you a ton. Uh, just factoring this out and planning all of this out. Your accountant will be able to definitely help you through this process too for your specific situation. But let's first look at capital gains tax.

Okay. So for most people listening, and it sounds like you understand this, but for most people listening, Capital gains taxes on a taxable brokerage account, meaning anything that's not like in a Roth IRA or something like that. There's three levels to it. There's the 0 percent rate. And as you mentioned, if your taxable income, including capital gains is below a certain threshold, which is 94, 050 for married filing jointly in The year I'm recording this, which is 2024, you could potentially qualify for 0 percent capital gains tax rate.

Now, 15 percent rate is if your income is between 94, 051 and 492, 300, then you have long term capital gains. They're typically taxed at about 15%. And then for income above 492, 300. Then your rate increases to 20%. So not crazy. I mean, it's much lower than the income tax would be for most stuff. Now for qualified dividends, one thing to note here is if you have any qualified dividends, they are taxed at the same rates as long term capital gains, zero 15 or 20%, if your income is below that 94, 050.

Your qualified dividends could also be taxed at 0%. Now, the key here is that the 94, 050 threshold includes all of your taxable income. And this is what I want most people to note. This means this is your wages. If you get any wages at all, this is your social security. This is pension income. If you get pension income, this is also traditional IRA and 401k withdrawals and capital gains.

All count towards this limit, all of them. So that's how you have the income limit. And then don't forget that the standard deduction currently is 27, 700 for married couples filing jointly in 2024 is also subtracted from your gross income to determine your taxable income. This effectively raises the amount that you can earn before crossing into that higher cash flow.

Capital gains tax bracket. Your boy loves the standard deduction. If you don't own businesses and things like that, you can get in there and you can get the standard deduction on your taxes as well. So strategy for a lot of people is this is kind of where I would strategize, especially with my CPA, is I would say, Hey, how do I stay below this threshold?

If you're on the line here, I would say, how do I stay below this threshold, factoring in all my income sources, my social security, and all this other stuff. In addition to making sure I also consider the standard deduction, because if you can do those two things, you can really come in to retirement paying minimal taxes overall, which is a fair amount.

fantastic way to save, especially if you're in a place where your cost of living can stay in this range, more power to you. I mean, that is an amazing way to live in a retirement is not paying taxes. The last thing I want to do is pay extra to uncle Sam. So staying below that threshold, this allows you to get closer to that 0 percent tax rate.

So just be mindful though, of those tax deferred accounts and, you know, withdrawing from some of them. Because they are taxed as ordinary income and could push you into a higher tax bracket. So make sure you're thinking through that. And then you've got to consider those Roth conversions as well. So if you anticipate being in a higher tax bracket later, you might consider doing Roth conversions in years where your income is low.

And Roth IRA withdrawals in retirement are tax free and don't count as taxable income. This will help you stay within lower capital gains tax brackets. So that's another thing to note. And then future tax law changes. Just make sure you're kind of aware of some of those because that's one thing I like to stay up on all the time.

Here's a great example of this. Okay. Something like a Roth 401k. They're changing the rules on that thing. All the time and honestly, it's exhausting how often they're changing the rules in the raw 401k. I've had two instances where I've talked about the raw podcast and I'll record some of these episodes like a month in advance.

For example, this one is a couple weeks before it comes out. And when I record the episode, I'll finish the episode and then all of a sudden the episode goes live and I'll say whatever the rule is that I'm specifically talking about. And then the rule changes between that month time frame. And that's happened twice to me.

And it's because they're just constantly changing the rules all the time. And then I have to go back and I have to correct it on the next episode. And it's one of those things that it's wild how often there are changes. So just make sure you're looking at future law changes on some of this stuff and looking through that.

But your understanding is correct as the way that you're looking at it. And then the key is Managing the income, considering all the sources of income that you have coming in because that could take you over and you're not even aware of it and then taking advantage of the standard deduction is the three things that I would look into and then making sure you have a CPA in your corner who is also looking at this.

Very important. You need a second set of eyes on this, at least in my opinion. It's up to you, but it's in my opinion. I think you need a second set of eyes. Always always looking at this stuff to make sure that you were looking at it correctly. But yes, wonderful observation. Thank you so much for the question.

That's a fantastic question. And if you have any other questions, please reach out to me and we can help any way we can. All right. So the last part of this episode is, as you know, a couple times a month, usually twice a month. We talk through some things that are going on in terms of protecting your finances online because it is growing more and more and more every single month and data breaches are getting worse and worse and worse.

In fact, data breaches have increased 78 percent over the course of the last year. Now, this is a troubling trend, I think, in cyber security, and it is one that That drives me up a wall. Now, there is one thing that you can do to help prevent yourself up front before any of this happens to you. And we'll talk about that because this segment is sponsored by delete me and delete me is a service that I have been using over the course of the last couple of years that will go to data brokers and they will remove your personal information from your data.

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A second thing that you could be doing because these data breaches are happening more and more and more, and we've seen one where a lot of people got a hold of social security numbers based on a couple government entities that we talked a few weeks back about. And because of this, um, We have to start monitoring these breaches.

And unfortunately, these breaches are happening so frequently that most people are not taking them seriously. And so there is a website that I have found called have I been honed dot com. So how this is spelled is have I been b e n instead of owned The O is a P. So P W N E D. So have I been P W N E D dot com?

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I don't even use anymore and one of them. I don't even know what it is, so I'm gonna go take that off to is notified your bank. If you see this come up because this website can actually alert you. So you get those notifications immediately. You notify your bank when that happens, and then you make sure that you can, you know, freezing your credit again, I'm going to say this over and over again until my face turns blue.

You need to freeze your credit. It's just part of everyday life. Now it's part of, you know, being prudent with your finances, freeze that credit homies, and then stay vigilant. And then don't ignore some of these data exposures. They may seem harmless. They may seem like nothing's going to happen, but what if something does That's what I want you to really think through here when it comes to data breaches, it's just not something you really want to play with, is it?

It's not really something you want to just ignore. And so just making sure they're going to happen more and more guys, they're going to happen over and over and over again. But we just got to make sure we have a checklist, a plan to make sure that we kind of take care of some of this stuff and then just limiting some of the data sharing that you have is important to You know, it's tough.

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Um, and it's free. So definitely check that out again. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode. I truly appreciate each and every single one of you. If you guys have any questions, please join the master money newsletter and where you can respond to any of those newsletters that we send out every single week.

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